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EXPORT-IMPORT and the other random commands
- To: CL.BOYER@R20.UTEXAS.EDU
- Subject: EXPORT-IMPORT and the other random commands
- From: "Robert W. Kerns" <RWK@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>
- Date: Fri, 5 Feb 88 23:53:29 EST
- Cc: common-lisp@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU, edsel!jonl@LABREA.STANFORD.EDU, labrea!CL-Cleanup%SAIL@LABREA.STANFORD.EDU, labrea!KMP%STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM@LABREA.STANFORD.EDU
- In-reply-to: Msg of Wed 3 Feb 88 21:48:23-CST from Bob Boyer <CL.BOYER at R20.UTEXAS.EDU>
Date: Wed 3 Feb 88 21:48:23-CST
From: Bob Boyer <CL.BOYER at R20.UTEXAS.EDU>
I think that the "Put in seven extremely random user
commands" stuff needs to be documented much more rigorously.
I don't think that any collection of cross-references in
CLTL will suffice to make things clear.
Frankly, I think this would be a waste of time. I don't
think ANY amount of documenting and test suites has any chance
of working. The underlying idea that you define the package
environment by performing a series of side-effects on the package
system is so wrong it is beyond repair. It is so entirely sensitive
to complex and obscure order-of-events issues that even if you
were successful in getting all implementations to do exactly the
same thing, real-life users could not adaquately standardize their
workstyles and interactions to avoid problems, even if they could
understand all the rules!
I think the time would be better spent on specifying and adopting
a DEFPACKAGE macro. This would always be the first form of the first
file loaded. (Or at least, before any IN-PACKAGE's for that package).
I think it is much easier to specify the behaviour when you don't have
to consider all the order-of-operations issues. Of course, it still needs
to be carefully specified, but the problem is more constrained, and you're
not so burdened with issues of compatibilty or programing environment
There are quite a number of us who think the DEFPACKAGE issue is important,
but so far as I know there aren't any actual proposals being written up.